I hesitated to buy these for months, but after spending too much time at home, I finally decided to treat myself. At first I thought they were a little too snug, but the waistband relaxed after wearing them. Now the fit is perfect. I ordered the tobacco color which is a reddish brown/oxblood. The waistband sits comfortably right at my belly button, or slightly above. The length is slightly cropped, about 3” or 4” above my ankles. I could live in these everyday. Now I just wish Mate would make a blanket out of this thermal fabric.